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How does the pro-life movement react to the Murder of Dr. Tiller? At what point do they see that they are preaching their morals/values out rank those of others? At what point do they see that it is unconstitutional to impose their values on others to limit freedoms. They preach and say they are carrying out Gods will. Dont they realize they will reach and manipulate only the lowest of intellect and lightest of will? Those of any mental capacity will reject their use of religion as a club for with which to bash in the skulls of the infidels? Dont they realize they sound like Ahmadinejad or Bin Laden when they spout off like that? Or would they prefer Bin Laden to liberals because atleast Bin Laden is a nice religious boy, even though he is one of those heathens. How does this maniac justify "eye for an eye" when he commits an act of murder? Will he be absolved in the eyes of the lord? or will he just rot in a pine box? What I know for sure is that a man was murdered. A man who has stood up to the intimidation of right wing freak shows since the late 70's. The guy has taken mass protest, he had been shot in the arms, his place of business bombed (an act of terrorism in the name of god, sound familliar?) and finally, he is fataly shot, in the atrium to a sanctuary. I'm going to make my statement; The only reason a man has to get fired up about abortion is to protect the rights of women, all other reasons, such as, abomination in the eyes of god, destruction of fetus, need not apply, because, Dude, you're not a woman, so you have no right to go there. Men have no right to be in the abortion debate until "viability" which would be third trimester. So the late term abortion debate should welcome the fathers input. I'd like to see this murderer tortured and beheaded at the new Yankee stadium during half time of the superbowl his head on a pike on the steps to the capitol building. Your thoughts?
Why its ok to murder abortion Doctors, or Tell me what is your favorite National Park for Camping
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Tell me why. Lets keep it clean.
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#1 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 10:38 AM EDT
LMAO Love the title. Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!
(My favorite camping spot is Cape Lookout National Seashore.)
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Cape Canaveral - Jetty park in Cocoa Beach. Love watching the big, big liners going out in the cut and love fishing off the jetty.
Love the title. LOL!!
Tell me what is your favorite National Park for Camping
Much better in the times we are in.
Loved the change on the Gay Marriage/fishing title too!
We need the humor and fun for a change!
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Why its ok to murder abortion Doctors?
Your question assumes facts not in evidence-- that it is ok to murder an abortion doctor.
It is not ok to murder an abortion doctor, and I don't know a single pro-lifer who would say that. Not even one. There may be such people, but they would have to be miniscule in number and strongly renounced by the vast majority of pro-lifers, and certainly all pro-lifers that I know.
I'm willing to continue the discussion if you'd like. Just let me know what further thoughts you'd like clarified.
I know the vast majority of pro-lifers ... want to put them out of business.
Yes, that is correct. It is based on a firm belief that an unborn child is a unique person, separate and distinct from the child's mother. This belief is often philosophical or spiritual in its basis, but it is important to note that the oposite position is also usually based in the same sort of things. That is the very reason debate on the subject gets so heated-- both sides are committed to a belief system.
It is worth noting that the pro-abortion rights side also wants to stop the work of pro-life organizations and impose their moral code on everyone. See, both sides usually dig in deep because the basis of their view is entrenched in their total belief system. To change views usually requires a complete rewrite of their belief systems, which is why it is somewhat uncommon.
As a person with very strong libertarian leanings, I also want more liberty and less laws. But, I would not want to legalize the indiscriminate killing of a distinct person and individual. You'd probably agree with this statement: "Your rights end where someone else's rights begin." To see the other side, recognize that the belief system of pro-lifers grants those rights to the unborn because they view them as "someone else" than the mom.
Also, just to put it out there, I think you'll find that I'm very consistent with my application. I would not defend killing a child inside the womb for any reason that would not also apply outside the womb. Therefore, I would defend abortion in one instance only-- to save the life of the mother. In that instance, it would be an act of self-defense, which by my belief system, would be a moral act.
Would you like to know more?
Greg, I think its just better this way, that way if someone says something that really pisses you or me or anyone off, you just switch topic and talk about something everyone can agree on... though there could be some debate about camping as well...
LMAO!
Putting up that stupid tent would probably cause a controversy.
Which Type of support is better Damn It!
One reason the abortion debate will never be settled is the two sides are involved in different arguments. One side is arguing for the rights of the woman, the other is arguing for the rights of the fetus. On top of that, religion is brought into it. I don't think there will ever be any kind of consensus.
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When does someone else begin?
Great question, and one that will be firmly based in a person's belief system, just like I described above.
My belief system, which is largely based on spiritual truths, says that someone else begins from conception, when they are "woven together" in the womb, and "fearfully and wonderfully made."
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Becuase there is not subjective evidence on when a "person" begins and it's all based on personal belief systems. Therefore, it is a personal moral decision and should be left to the individual. I don't particularly agree with abortion, but that is my personal veiw-point. (I'm a male and I don't believe men should be saying to much in this debate anyway.)
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Break your rant into paragraphs. It would sound less goofy.
#2 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:13 AM EDTJR... so, is it ok... in your view?
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If you edit this, I will have to ask for my vote back. Are you Eddie from Joisey? Or will you bow to the the anal retentive, "I don't have anything constructive to say so I attack the seeder" Newsvine police, and thus will forever, at least in my book be, the homogenized Edward from New Jersey. I vote for Joisey Eddie and I vote that the seed stays as is cuz I like you just as you are. <climbing off my soapbox>
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Great! And because of that, I am sending you a friend request that I hope you will accept. Also, if that's you in your avatar, I am seriously smitten, and therefore would be crushed with a rejection!
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It's not okay.......
In California.........Yosemite.......Whiskey Town......
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#3 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:18 AM EDTAt what point do they see that they are preaching their morals/values out rank those of others? At what point do they see that it is unconstitutional to impose their values on others to limit freedoms.
They DON'T. Ever. Emotion-fueled Belief always trumps intellect.
Seashore State Park, Virginia.
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#4 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:27 AM EDTEmotion-fueled Belief always trumps intellect.
ROFL
"Dude, you're not a woman, so you have no right to go there"-My body-my choice!!!
Cape San Blas, FL
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#5 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:33 AM EDTDefinitely not okay.
Haven't gone camping since I was twelve... but I can't wait to re-visit Yellowstone.
#6 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDTYellowstone and the Tetons are awesome. I hope to get back there again some day too.
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I visited Colorado a couple of years ago. Flew into Denver, visited RMNP, Colorado Nat'l Monument, Arches, Canyonlands, Mesa Verde, and Black Canyon of the Gunnison. It is so flat where I live, and nothing but pine trees. I love the ocean, but when I vacation I prefer the Rockies and the Southwest.
Be sure to see the Tetons if you go to Yellowstone.
Eddie once again your article makes me giggle. Killing an abortion doctor does the anti-abortion side no good. It simply proves there are several extremists (which they all claim they are not) involved in their movement. If the murderer justified his actions with his beliefs then he seems to be big hypocrite, or maybe his beliefs are.
Yellowstone is absolutly beautiful, but just north Glacier is better, but I wouldn't camp there.
Keep up the good work Eddie!
No.
Glacier National Park.
#7 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:49 AM EDTI am going to Glacier in July. I'm staying in a hotel though. I prefer to camp where the animals aren't big enough to eat me. ;-)
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trm2008n lol ya ever heard of "Night of the Grizzlies" ?
No, but I watched that crazy guy up in Alaska. He made friends with the grizzlies, and they still ate him.
The biggest animals at Cape Lookout are raccoons. They keep me awake at night, but they probably won't eat me.
"Should we still be an ally to Israel or tell me your most embarrasing moment in the woods"
I think there may be a future for you with this innovative and unique approach to newsvine. Can't wait to see your next article. LMAO
Well, the park is undoubtedly the most beautiful place I've ever seen. They have points they call "scenic outlooks." That's a joke; the whole place is a scenic outlook. I took 800 pictures there!
Walking the trails, however, was an exercise in paranoia. At the start of every trail head is a sign that begins "Warning: your safety is not assured..." and proceeds to warn you that there are bears, cougars, and other hungry animals out there, just waiting for a snack to walk by. They recommend not hiking alone, or at night, wearing bells to warn bears of your presence and carrying pepper spray for self defense. Bears were something you usually encountered by accident; round a corner and bump into one, or as happened to someone while I was there, trip over a bear cub, which activates the territorial defense instinct in mom.
Still bears are omnivores, and given a choice between the hard work it takes to catch and consume you, or the ease with which a handful of berries can be obtained, they'll choose the latter just because they're as lazy as humans. Mountain lions, on the other hand, are another matter--they're strictly carnivores;they see you as lunch with a back pack; they will stalk you, and they're cats, so they're accomplished stalkers. That had me so paranoid, I stopped every 1,000 feet or so and made sure nothing was following me.
The bells that are supposed to warn the bears appears to be minimally effective, as evidenced by the exchange I heard between two rangers, referring to black bears (grizzlies) and brown bears, the smaller ones.
"What's the difference between black bear scat and brown bear scat?"
"The black bear scat has bells in it."
My husband and I took about 800 pictures in Utah last year. Zion, Bryce, Hwy 12, and Monument Valley. Drove 1100 miles and took a picture of dam near every rock in the state.
We aren't much for hiking, and I wouldn't be much of a challenge for a bear to catch. (My husband can run faster than me.) I think we'll try to stay close to the car. LOL
Eddie, you said you'd like to see this guy tortured and beheaded at the new Yankee stadium. Now,while that would almost certainly attract more people to it than the Yankees do, wouldn't that be lowering ourselves to the level of the extremist?
Never been camping. I am going this weekend to a state park. The bug situation worries me.
#8 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:54 AM EDTDo you believe in capital punishment, or Should it be called whitewater rafting if its in wisconsin
Sounds like a title for your next article. LOL
That was hilarious!
Absolutely not!
I hate camping! Mosquitoes treat me like a five course meal. I'm just that delicious! ;P
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#9 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 12:41 PM EDTLittlereddog, why wouldn't it? When Islamist extremist behead someone because that person did something they considered abhorrent, we call them animals. As much as I enjoy Eddie's seeds and posts and as much as I understand his anger over this, I still think it's just going to the crazy people's level.
Besides, FoxNews would want to cover it and they'd say it's all Obama's fault.
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Besides, FoxNews would want to cover it and they'd say it's all Obama's fault.
FOX says everything is Obama's fault.
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ST, why wouldn't what? First of all, the AMA does not recognize any subspecialty as "Abortion Doctor", so I would like that term, uh, terminated. It is NOT okay to murder anyone. Are you advocating the murder of American citizens on some extremist's morality grounds, or am I missing something here? I think that the court system should deal with this killer like it does any other murdering thug. I also think that groups and news bobble heads that targeted this doctor are culpable. You'd think that these people would have a come to Jesus moment and reconsider their tactics, but, I'm not holding my breath on that. Billo's disgusting program last night was abhorrent. The guy needs to shut his @!$%#ing pie hole and go back to snarking about the Obamas or some other person who threatens his inflated ego.
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My stinky co-worker's flatulence is Obama's fault.
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I think we both missed something LRD. I meant that killing Roeder like Eddie suggests would bring us down to the level of the extremist. I think I misinterpreted what you meant by saying,"Absolutely not."
I suspected that ST. No harm, no foul. :)
I think he should be put in a cell with a guy who's in prison for not paying childsupport because some other religious nutjob blow up the abortion clinic in his town. (I know it's snarky)
My favorite place to camp, is the hotel closest to the campground. Because I have a tendency to pitch my tent in the spot, where the camp's run off will go right thru the tent. Inevitably it will rain the night that I go camping.
I agree, kj. My idea of roughing it is sitting on a towel on the beach, rather than lounging in a cabana chair. 28 years ago, a mouse thought it would be great sport to chew holes in our tent while stored in our garage for the winter. That tent was the first and last tent we owned and it is, thankfully, now rotting somewhere in a Milwaukee landfill. RIP tent!
littlereddog-How a 10' X 20' tent with two rooms, an elevated queen size airbed, and 2 propane heaters for the chilly nights. (I don't exactly "rough" it.)
trm: No hot shower, room service, or wet bar. OK, I'm playing with you. I love the outdoors. I have been to many state and national parks and I am dumbstruck at the beauty of this country. In fact, this weekend for our 32nd anniversary, we will be flying to NM to do some hiking in the mountains near Santa Fe. When the sandman calls, I leave the campgrounds for heartier souls, like you. It's just not my thing, but, I'm so glad that you enjoy it, You obviously enjoy it with some nice perks.
Eddie, was it the religious nutjob, that was pc insensitive?
We take the wet bar with us when we go. ;-)
kjo-I take offense to your disparaging remarks about camping. LOL
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eddie, I figured I was fine, but it doesn't hurt to check. I have a wicked perverted sense of humor and a quick wit. We should get along just fine.
I don't think that using barbaric means of punishing the murderer and reacting like barbarians will help. He may have been deluded but probably thought he was saving babies. I don't know if you've read some of the things about that. Sometimes for late term abortions the babies are trying to breathe. The nurses have wondered about what happens with it since other babies they need to save. They need to actually kill the baby or fetus they would call it then. That is from what I have read. I have to say I was for abortions before reading that. I am not saying that what he did was ok. I think if they are going to have an abortion they should have it in time.
#10 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 12:55 PM EDTRead some of these stories as to why late-term abortions are necessary. I think there are more of these cases than people realize because most women are not out there on the news programs discussing their very personal physical and emotion problems with a pregnancy. These things should be private and we should not have to evaluate each one on a case by case situation...en masse.
http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/index.html
See especially the section on Kansas stories.
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It's not ok.
And Angel Island in the SF Bay. As a city girl, I don't go for that far out in the wilderness camping....too many creepy crawlies out there!
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#11 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 12:58 PM EDTAngel Island!
Good times there....climbing all the way to the summit with that gorgeous breathtaking 360 degree views, then running down and jumping into the frigid waters of SF Bay.....
:)
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